If you call out a minister on their poor or even criminal behavior and present facts to back up your claim they either ignore you all together or get mad as a hornet. Maybe I will write about that in the future but honestly I’m still in a healing season. Through our conferences, school of ministry, travel events, social media, broadcast program and multiple church locations, The Ramp engages thousands of people each month with the transforming power of the gospel. I have a few stories very similar to that one. Judy Jacobs. I left college, quit a job, took part in an internship with the church, served until I was exhausted (being in church sometimes 6 days a week), conference after conference, encounter after encounter…serving and serving…until I became tired both physically and spiritually. jsTimeInput.setAttribute("value", formTimeDiff.toString()); If at all possible, I would love if you could contact me. The art college i attended wrote to my parents and said i was a very tallented student but they believed i had got mixed up in some sort of cult, but if they could help me they would sort out accomodation and try to get me out of it, I wasnt responsive and left art college. I just don’t want to see you disregard Biblical truth on the account of all the junk out there. Support It’s Supernatural! It’s one of the main things that I realized that helped me come to my senses and wash my hands of the movement. And He set up His church the way He wanted and then wrote it down for us for a blueprint. if(formElement.addEventListener){ He is completely dependent on having the holly spirit inside of him, anytime he feels it’s not inside of him he feels depressed and can’t function. P.O. Quiet meditation, formal structured services and order are more helpful. let appendJsTimerElement = function(){ I became a Christian in the 1980 s after coming to London to attend art college, I had a portrait in the National gallery in London and that was sucess as a young teenager, i had also been approached by people who were scouting for up and coming miss irelands in beauty pageants because they had seen my picture in newspapers .London was a big place for a teenager from the sticks in Ireland, so i got in touch with a friend who recently became a Christian and was living in London and at art college. Karen Wheaton Ministries in Hamilton, reviews by real people. As I sat in church all these years I couldn’t help but become bored with hours of worship, music, lights, TV cameras and pure emotional hype. I got up and walked out. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Karen Harris Wheaton Towe is an American Pentecostal preacher, Gospel music singer and recording artist based in Hamilton, Alabama whose career has spanned the late 1970s until the present time. I am so grateful that I read the NT when I came to know the Lord it helped me to stay grounded and ultimately saved me from this movement. Therapy is rooted in humanism, so no it will not help your friend but the Truth spoken in love and empowered by the Spirit definitely will. God Bless! My family had faithfully served God for generations. Then I began to read His Word….truly studying His Word. Wow thank you!! The fact that it did not line up with Gods word or his Character made me even more angry. Karen Wheaton ministers praise and worship to young and old. The worship leader is always pushing you or manipulating the crowd to be more expressive but it seemed  so contrived like the more exuberant the crowd was the more validated the worship leader felt in doing God’s work. Enter email address. Me too left movement at age 20 and is now 25 years ago. It sounds good but not God is the way I would describe it. Those of a more sensitive nature or those prone to depression or therapy will not find it conducive to their mental wellbeing. I’m grateful for my experiences and grew in the Pentecostal church regardless of the imperfections. I would pour out my heart to God in prayer over it. You learn to keep your opposing views to yourself. I totally believe in the New testament Church for today. Anyway I saw the light after that terrible experience and got out of that charasmatic( recognised church) . I was into Benny hinn and hill song and Friday home fellowships and integrity music and God knows what. QUESTIONS? The N.A.R , 7 Mountain mandate and New Apostles and prophets doctrine they have conjured up are False doctrines that promote spiritual elitist mentality, I certainly saw a lot of Christian super-stars being lifted up. He feeds the hungry. One of the greatest resources that helped me through this difficult time has been others sharing their stories and so I am compelled to share mine. As much talk as there is of accountability it almost never applies to leaders even though they are saved sinners just like everyone else and true, objective, biblical accountability or scrutiny is shunned. I encourage you to watch Justin Peters testimony on YouTube. My wife and I have surely been hurt over the years with some of the garage that goes on. They taught  we were the special generation that would usher in the return of Christ. Those ministries are considered heretical by many orthodox Christians…I had NO clue. How patient the Lord was on me…I will forever praise Him for that. Complete garbage. Wolves in sheeps clothing. Always wondered how born again christians could run along side false teachers for years on end and not realize that they weren’t born again. if (null === formElement) { Watching the Road by Karen Wheaton. In addition to that, it doesn’t matter so much what kind, type or denomination the church is. Never have I been so hurt in my life. Get directions, reviews and information for Karen Wheaton Ministries in Hamilton, AL. God is God, the church is not. BTW did you live in Hamilton or have friends there? My heart goes out to you. like I had done something wrong? Box 1508 I was raised in church my entire life. I watched Damon Thompson grow extremely arrogant and young folks esteem him like a God. When you are in a group think bubble you really cannot see other perspectives at all. If you wouldn’t mind checking out my website sometime I would appreciate it. This is a very fair, well-written article. But the outing turned black for a different reason. We believe awakening begins with an encounter. Email: Store@theramp.org P.S. What areas of ministry training are you interested in? It’s sad and I’m grateful to finally be awake not on some wild goose chase. There was such a dark cult atmosphere that year but like my group, I dismissed all the red flags and thought there was more good than bad so just take what is good. Thank God you are free!!! Worship Media Performing Arts Visual Arts Missions. It is the hardest part. let formElement = document.getElementById("tfa_0"); Damon Thompson’s popularity and fame is spreading throughout the Christian landscape. I began to notice a theme; I was all about US and not God. } else if(formElement.attachEvent){ I like going to church for corporate worship singing the old hymns which I believe have powerful lyrics. Knowing Christ and  Living a life simply following the precepts of the bible are more than enough. let formElement = document.getElementById("tfa_0"); For 35 years they’ve received salvation, deliverance and healing in response to the awesome presence of God. I watched 8 years fly by and here I am almost 30. There is plenty of room for correction, I’m sure. All the false prophecies and watching friends believed in these lying words to the point it was hurting others and ruining lives. } else if(formElement.attachEvent){ Was it the charismatic church that you were involved with that was the final straw or was it some experience with The Ramp? Now I know God. Our Church actually phased out Sunday morning bible studies and the Wednesday night ones were more secular than anything,  I would call it positive philosophy. I certainly outgrew the emotional hype. For the past 20 years, we’ve led thousands of people into life changing encounters with God. Phone: (205) 921-0909. It is far from a physical relationship. I could not be satisfied living a life apart from God. I knew 8 years ago the Ramp was cultish when Damon Thompson tried to barricade 10 thousand ppl in the Chattanooga convention center and the guy I was with told the kids they couldn’t block the exit because it was a fire safety hazard. }); document.addEventListener("DOMContentLoaded", function(){ it’s almost 2 years out and I’m just now getting to the place where I can pray. let cumulatedTimeElement = document.getElementById("tfa_dbCumulatedTime"); wFORMS.behaviors.prefill.skip = false. They might not call it ‘false prophecy.’ They misuse the verse that says, ‘we prophesy in part’ to mean it is okay to prophesy in error. formElement.attachEvent('onsubmit', appendJsTimerElement); Hockey Ministries International 1100 Ave des Canadiens de Montreal Suite B43 Montreal, QC H3B 2S2 CANADA Phone (514) 395-1717 Ext. Hamilton, AL 35570 I tried to commit suicide because I was so lost inside , they mocked me and scorned me at church, my so called friend from ireland totally rejected me. I could not believe this woman would manipulate teenagers out of what little money they had with zero shame. In that moment it felt very “Jim Jones” nutty. We’ve seen them set free from sin, addiction, depression, suicide and bondage. We will never know the length the width the depth and the breadth of God’s love depending on another human for fullfillment on this earth. Jesus must become our very own Personal Savior. if (null !== formElement) { The Bible is the standard. I  have a storehouse full of wonderful memories but it has strayed like a boat without a compass; ever so subtle without even realizing it. IMO, much of southeastern Pentecostalism places too much emphasis on feelings. ( Log Out /  She has been called for this hour to awaken the gifts and anointing that too often lie dormant in us. You people are completely nuts and the ones with the problem. I was a devoted follower of the Ramp, founded by Karen Wheaton featuring Perry stone (OCI ministries) Damon Thompson, Dutch Sheets the N.A.R crowd and many other famous ministers. omg. }; Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. My experience with the ‘signs and wonders’ or ‘prophetic movement’ is that the churches and conference I have attended can be rather light on the Bible. Book. All the false prophetic words I have heard through the years and was still hearing. These three simultaneous events sent me running back to my bible. all these  people saying God told them this and that. Religious Organization In these emotional services People are spinning and dancing and that must mean we really have the spirit, right? Shirts. The Ramp was founded by Karen Wheaton and is headquartered in Hamilton, Alabama. I guess that meant we were really reaching the world with the gospel, I mean we were televised, right? I even moved to Florida for where so called revival is and I am regretful.. Hi Jessica, yes I did the same. The pentecostal type church isn’t everyone’s cup of tea. Menu & Reservations Make Reservations . Phone: (205) 921-0909. I am writing this blog in hopes that if you stumble upon it that it will be a source of great comfort to you. Jeremiah 29:13 (KJV) I too have seen major abuses in the Charismatic church. It is so subtle that it is unrecognizable to the biblically ignorant and undiscerning. $15.00. My mother, Karen Wheaton, is a world-renowned gospel singer who has ministered to hundreds of thousands of people, and I will never forget the example of righteousness she set for my sister and me. There is an air of spiritual elitism about it. I was listening to Bethel worship, Hill songs, all the cutting edge worship. I find that so laughable now to look at people who are expressional during worship as a definitive sign that God is moving. } God was treated like a genie in a bottle many times in church services. Always wondered how born again christians could run along side false teachers for years on end and not realize that they weren’t born again. I stick with a more rational school of thought and find that my life is so much more peaceful w/o the emotional chaos that is rampant in that movement. My experience in the A/G, and Southeastern Pentecostalism is a much heavier emphasis on the Bible. Dr. Swanson has been the Director of the Institute for Prison Ministries (1PM), Billy Graham Center for Evangelism at Wheaton College since 2005. We could exchange names and I would be the one writing this. I’m just now leveling out after I went through a very dark time. Phone: (205) 921-0909. All we would have to do is swap names and your story would become mine. In this movement ministers are worshiped like infallible gods above reproach. Healing and miracles should never have been made the focus. The original posting of this article was about 8 months ago but it caught my eye as I have been researching Karen Wheaton and The Ramp. formElement.appendChild(jsTimeInput); My Account; Wishlist; Help; Email Signup; Cart (0) items Checkout. $15.00. if (null !== cumulatedTime && cumulatedTime > 0) { formElement.attachEvent('onsubmit', appendJsTimerElement); Thank you for this post. }); This was especially true in the A/G, but I know at least one that is into NAR type stuff. Religious Organization My foundation was corrupt! document.addEventListener("DOMContentLoaded", function(){ Many of the people in church leadership were there. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! It is Available on ITunes and Also on AmazonMP3 and can also be fount on www.theramp.org. HOBO= Humble, Obedient, Bond -Servant , Of ‘No Reputation…’. I sat down with him and he told me that he heard that I had a demon. It’s a small world. The Great Commission in Mark is, not Marcus. formElement.addEventListener('submit', appendJsTimerElement, false); Phone: (205) 921-0909. Edit them in the Widget section of the. © Copyright 2020 The Ramp. That’s what the Bible says about false teachers. More grace doesn’t mean we have inferior gifts. They did the “hot seat” where you sit in a chair and people pray over you and ask the Holy Spirit what he saying. let cumulatedTimeElement = document.getElementById("tfa_dbCumulatedTime"); Kansas City (IHOP), Morningstar Ministries and Bethel Redding are what I considered great men of God preaching the true gospel. And prophesying falsely in the name of the Lord is a bad thing. Thankfully I was w someone who told them it was a fire safety violation to block exits. Change ), This is a text widget, which allows you to add text or HTML to your sidebar. At the moment my words are few because I still have to process and come to terms with everything. Show me a man with a sign gift that can perform miracles today and I’ll show you an Apostle…. I have a lot of thoughts on this but am still wrestling with how to articulate them. And He has! from HEADJANITOR:. When I read that it was like I saw it for the first time, I mean truly understood it. Welcome to Christianbook.com ®! How God had great and mighty plans for my generation and how he was going to use us in a MIGHTY way. Judy Jacobs is a sent one. When I hear that hyped up exegesis Gospel now I can easily discern that it is not biblical and it simply does not line up with scripture. It is a very disorienting thing to walk away from a long held belief and a system you have promoted and loved for many years. How God was going to send a great revival which didn’t make sense to me because the bible taught of a great apostasy the polar opposite. Their job was to seek Him with all their heart in persistent prayer. In that moment I said God I’m singing these words to you but I don’t mean it; help me to mean it And he did. jsTimeInput.setAttribute("autocomplete", "off"); Nothing says,  “I  love you Jesus” l like paying big bucks for the T-shirt of our favorite superstar minister’s new catch phrase and getting a bonus CD half off. Once we seek any kind of fulfillment from another human being, we have made shallow our path. I a hard time paving a lot of things that I saw and learned because their waS definitely a mixture of genuine Christians and imposters. I was hearing 20 years ago how special MY generation was. Al.com reported that one person was killed and two more were injured, including a 12-year-old girl, when gunfire erupted. With his long hair, tattoos, hippy looks and southern drawl that makes him a captivating speaker. } Our flesh will aways lead us on the wide road of destruction , it satisfies for a time, there in lies the disillusionment. I gather the latest craze in recent years is for Pentecostal Protestants to move over to the Catholic Church. You can use them to display text, links, images, HTML, or a combination of these. I would say recovering from whatever damage that was done has taken me so many many years. 2019-02-09T01:41:33-05:00. Those ministries … A spiritual relationship without human influence is the way to understanding the mind of Christ.,,,…. You can unsubscribe at any time. What a bargain! The Evangelical Church as a whole is in great delusion. Went to a bible study at someone’s home who was in leadership. When people put more stock in their dreams/visions and feelings and they choose to elevate it above your word they are in delusion. ... Marilyn Hickey, Betty Robinson, Beverly LaHaye, Arlene & C. Courtney Henderson, Karen Wheaton, Christie Harvey and Gail Riplinger. If we make an idol out of any of them it’s all wrong and not part of God’s plan. It was like scales fell off my eyes and I was free. webuzy. let jsTimeInput = document.createElement("input"); It became dark and cultish in a way that was scary. It was supposed to be an annual Black Friday shopping tradition for Karen Wheaton and her daughters at the Riverchase Galleria mall in Hoover, Alabama, late Thursday night. Generation X marks the spot was the trending evangelical phrase in those days. The church is sort of like a school. Many believers have been deceived into thinking  if someone exposes a  false teacher they are literally fighting with God himself. I saw so many people using Gods name in the Charismatic/Pentecostal movement it is dizzying. My people have committed two evils. It or job now to proclaim it in faith. Look up bob jones and how the “angel Gabriel” appeared to him giving him the same false doctrines Karen teaches. It was a pattern, one that bothered me. I think he needs therapy. Email: Store@theramp.org }; Through our conferences, school of ministry, travel events, social media, broadcast program and multiple church locations, The Ramp engages thousands of people each month with the transforming power of the gospel. Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. While all this chaos is going on around me another lady I was attending church with began dating a man because “God told her he was the one”. This can only come with surrendering our whole hearts to God and His son, He can only offer us this true love we seek. Karen Wheaton, Founder of The Ramp. May we all see He is the only true love we seek, the one true spirit. Don’t be or stay mad at the church. Don’t through the baby out with the bath water. Anything can become an idol to us if we allow it to come between us and our individual relationship with God, and most in the church won’t tell you that. Perhaps millions of young Americans (as well as vast numbers of youth around the world) are being brainwashed by a large and growing network of apostate “Church” leaders whom Satan is using to create a generation of heretics. Do you believe that Karen is a false teacher or just deceived? I wont go into the gross details but suffice it to say the dear LORD got us out of there. I thought to myself, after all of this I feel no closer to God. That should give you a clear view of the people I was running with. I realize that being around that makes people mentally and emotionally unstable. Jewish people are more open to the gospel than at any time in history. let appendJsTimerElement = function(){ I looked so holy I’m sure in my Sunday best. Blessings, It was writ in spirit and in truth. The Lord has called me to bring back a pure focus on Him, instead of all the stuff. Lynn, could you please expand your answer regarding what you found out about gender orientation? I have no animosity. This is my therapy. The ministry circles that the Ramp was surrounded by are very concerning to me. He has flaky interpretations of scripture w his “God given revelations/visions” and it can turn really negative. The light shines in the darkness and the darkness can not overcome John chapter 1. Our pastor who was not there that night at the meeting called and asked me to come into his office. All rights reserved. It didn’t die for our sins or hang on the cross for anybody. jsTimeInput.setAttribute("name", "tfa_dbElapsedJsTime"); We were all conference junkies running to whatever new “move of God” Charisma magazine was publishing that month. I listened to a few of his very recent teachings and he says he used to preach to thousands but he left it all. It’s not said point blank but the overall theme is he is one of the only ones preaching the REAL gospel and that type of hyped up emotional message can radicalize ppl in a very dark way. I didn’t know if I could possibly  sit in another “Amost there, about to happen moments” at church it was starting to get under my skin. I would describe the modern church as apostate and I have left the harlot church system in my rear view. You will be harshly snubbed. To tell someone they don’t have the Holy Ghost if they don’t speak in tongues sets people up to speak in fake tongues or doubt their salvation. He completely changed his tune and said Iwas so worthwhile and tallented and beautiful. if (null === formElement) { Why I Left the Pentecostal/Charismatic Movement. The Ramp is a global ministry with a passion and mission to awaken a generation, equip them for their purpose, and send them out to change their world. I was involved in the Charismatic Movement for 10+ years. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. However they are apart of the ministry of Jesus and whoever is His true disciples. “What you invest in the lives of other young people, you will reap in your own children. Karen Harris Wheaton Towe is an American Pentecostal preacher, Gospel music singer and recording artist based in Hamilton, Alabama whose career has spanned the late 1970s until the present time. $15.00. I have also noticed music is a main attraction in church; It has replace bible studies. Email: Store@theramp.org It is an  out of balance, unbiblical view of being a disciple of Christ. We can do a portion of it in a corporate setting (like a church group) but God only saves us (through Jesus and His Truth) one heart at a time and as that heart is truly ready to be saved.- – – In other words, God doesn’t save the whole church but rather just those whose hearts are right towards Him no matter what church or church type it is. God why was I  deceived? It put an enormous focus on the gifts of the spirit such as speaking in tongues/prophecy and how we were the Elijah generation and we would walk in signs and wonders and how that would cause this great revival. In my article I mentioned a culmination of Incidents that drove me back to the Bible. Was it the charismatic church that you were involved with that was the final straw or was it some experience with The Ramp? I would really like to talk to you one day. Well that sounds smart but human reason and psychology aren’t authoritative answers. I felt lost. His plan is that we ultimately develop a personal relationship with Him and not through somebody or something else. I moved to be near the Brownsville revival and ran off to see Lakeland nonsense when it was published in Charisma magazine. I was so confused and bewildered coming out. formTimeDiff += cumulatedTime; ( Log Out /  But it dos taint my children from religion and church But then my real troubles began, they the (church ) i attended stripped me of any confidance , i became controlled and manipulated. A sensible reply amongst all the other stuff. There are plenty of smaller churches that don’t have the blacklights and don’t follow that style. So we should not expect New Testament saints to have inferior or defective gifts. Many times I would sit in church and hear the preacher say something and wonder, “Is that even biblical?” then I would wonder if I had a demon or an evil spirit of unbelief (welcome to Pentecostal thinking my friends). The Way Home. My life has been a series of interesting twists that will hopefully benefit someone out in the ether. I read most of the Old Testament but always got stuck in the book of Jerimiah. God was ABOUT to do something amazing in our mist. No longer connected to God. And I did not mean Catholic Charismatic meetings I just went charismatic meetings. Prayers that ur search for growth in spirituality evolves and younfind the peace in which I have over the years….Peace and Light….thank u for sharingbur story and it gives peace to many hearing the truths regarding Pentecostal- Holiness type churches. Like you said there is definitely a conditioning that takes place and I think that we’ll meaning people even play a part in it. As regards fellowship, I enjoy attending a very traditional Episcopal church where large sections of all scripture are read and liturgy is the foundation of the communion service. All I know is the Pentecostal church as undergone some big changes since I first began and none of them are helping people learn bible Scripture or to understand verses in context. She has toured throughout the U.S. performing at events that also featured preachers and Christian artists such as Jimmy Swaggart, Benny Hinn and the Gaither Homecoming. I find some of the people involved in these churches to be really good people who are earnestly seeking the Lord. The bible warns 17 times in the NT against wolves/false teachers but ministers selectively pick feel good scriptures and ignore others; you know, the ones that bring them under scrutiny or accountability .Sadly most Christians don’t know bible scripture so they  believe pretty much anything the preacher says. But I am thinking many things you describe would be considered the fringe of the movement by preachers at more conservative churches. CONNECT WITH US ON … Shipping Hours: Monday-Friday 10am-4pm. I am 40 now and began attending in my mid-twenties so I was around when the ramp was at the 180 building in Cleveland TN, and also at the Christian bookstore. jsTimeInput.setAttribute("id", "tfa_dbElapsedJsTime"); I was 21 years old when I truly came to know Christ and now I am 40 and let me tell you this stuff gets old. I don’t need to move to a foreign country as a missionary to be mightily used of God or stand behind a pulpit. I am also blessed to have a few Christian sisters who feel the same way as I do regarding a true move of God and can have quality fellowship with them. Carnal desire and romantic love fades and becomes so secondary as you grow older and learn with heartache and experience that human love is so failing BUT GOD. Judy Jacobs is a sent one. If we give in to our own hurt or bitterness and place it above the scripture then we are at risk of going into deception. They can’t and don’t try and dispute the overwhelming proof of corruption yet they won’t walk away from it either. I could get a fresh prophetic word every Sunday at the altar as people prayed for me. Looked at me like i saw the light shines in the name of Jesus article i mentioned culmination. Of people into life changing encounters with God and his righteousness ( internal and. 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